Sunniva
Kolostyak:
The
UK’s
biggest
fund,
Terry
Smith’s
Fundsmith
Equity,
has
been
downgraded
by
Morningstar.
With
me
to
explain
why
is
Daniel
Haydon
from
the
manager
research
team.
Daniel,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
So
the
fund’s
rating
has
changed
from
Gold
to
Silver.
Can
you
explain
the
rationale
behind
the
the
downgrade?
Daniel
Haydon:
Morning,
Sunny.
Yes,
so,
I
like
to
usually
maintain
a
bear
case
for
the
funds
I
cover.
Here,
unfortunately,
some
of
my
bear
cases
have
begun
to
come
to
light,
but
not
all,
and
we
do
maintain
some
conviction.
In
particular,
I’d
like
to
draw
attention
to
Terry
Smith’s
sell
discipline,
which
in
recent
years,
and
particularly
over
the
last
18
months,
has
really
come
to
the
fore.
We
tend
to
see
this
kind
of
thing
happen
for
buy
and
hold
managers
when
they
see
some
outflows.
But
here,
what
I
see
as
a
slight
lack
in
rigor
is
really
something
which
I’ve
taken
a
look
at.
So
PayPal
(PYPL),
Terry
Smith
says
he
sold
that
too
late,
and
there
are
a
number
of
management
missteps
there.
Estee
Lauder
(EL),
which
had
some
difficulties
in
China,
was
similarly
painful
for
the
fund.
These
were
sold
too
late.
On
the
other
hand,
there
are
also
a
couple
of
positions
that
were
sold
too
early,
or
at
least
according
to
Terry.
These
were
fundamentally
justified,
but
then
the
price
took
off
afterwards
in
part
due
to
the
massive
tailwinds
from
AI.
So
that
was
Amazon
(AMZN)
and
then
also
Adobe
(ADBE).
Key
Morningstar
Metrics
for
Fundsmith
Equity
•
Morningstar
Medalist
Rating:
Silver
•
Morningstar
Category:
Global
Large-Cap
Growth
Equity
•
Trailing
Returns
(GBP):
8.91%
YTD,
11.32%
5
Years
Annualised
SK:
So
what
is
Terry
Smith’s
sell
dicipline
like?
DH: So,
over
time,
Terry
has
been
extremely
long-term
and
that’s
been
one
of
his
edges.
In
fact,
he
is
a
talented
investor,
and
he
has
managed
to
see
through
short-term
price
volatility
and
also
some
cyclical
operational
effects.
So
here
then
he
tends
to
sell
when
a
stock
looks
too
expensive
compared
to
his
rather
restricted
universe
of
stocks,
but
also
when
he
begins
to
think
that
management
are
taking
the
company
in
a
strategic
direction
that
he
doesn’t
like,
and
finally,
if
he
just
admits
he
made
a
mistake.
SK:
Another
thing
is
the
process
pillar,
which
has
been
changed
from
High
to
Above
Average.
For
the
uninitiated,
what
does
that
mean?
How
does
that
fit
into
your
ratings
framework?
DH:
So,
at
Morningstar,
we
have
a
forward-looking
rating
framework.
We
tend
to
look
at
both
the
process
and
then
also
the
people
pillars.
So
here,
we
look
at
the
consistency
of
implementation
and
then
the
investment
philosophy.
We
still
really
like
this
investment
philosophy
here,
but
as
mentioned,
there
are
some
questions
in
terms
of
the
sell
discipline.
As
I
mentioned
to
colleagues,
Julian
Robins,
Terry
Smith’s
second
in
command,
he
has
an
unofficial
rule,
which
I’ll
paraphrase,
which
is
essentially
just
to
sell
when
management
begin
to
disappoint.
There
are
indications
that
perhaps
Terry
has
become
more
trigger
happy
and
emotional
in
these
regards,
and
this
has
disappointed
slightly.
Elsewhere,
what’s
quite
interesting
here
is
that
the
top
two
positions
are
now
close
to
10%
of
the
fund
each.
This
is
the
departure
from
what
we’ve
seen
in
the
fund’s
earlier
years,
and
it’s
also
in
stark
contrast
to
the
smaller
Fundsmith
Sustainable
Equity
fund,
which
is
managed
more
in
accordance
to
the
earlier
years
of
the
very
large
Fundsmith
Equity
fund.
SK:
So
the
last
thing
we
need
to
talk
about
then
is
how
this
has
impacted
performance.
What’s
the
performance
been
like
recently
for
the
fund?
DH: So,
the
fund
actually
compares
quite
well
against
the
broad
growth
category
that
we
look
at
Morningstar.
Many
of
those
funds
had
more
exposure
to
some
of
the
growthier
names
that
sold
off
a
few
years
ago.
What’s
also
interesting
is
Facebook,
or
Meta
(META),
performed
really
strongly
for
the
fund
having
disappointed
the
prior
year.
So
that’s
been
reassuring.
However,
the
fund’s
free
cash
flow
yield
is
now
below
that
of
many
comparative
indices.
What
we’ve
noticed
is
that
when
that
measure
of
value
is
more
attractive
compared
to
the
index,
really
strong
performance
tends
to
follow.
I
mean,
I’m
no
oracle
in
this
regard.
No
one
can
truly
predict
the
future.
And
there
are
many
reasons
to
be
hopeful
still.
And
hence
we’ve
maintained
the
Silver
rating
here.
Indeed,
the
performance
over
the
long
term
remains
stellar
and
long-term
investors
have
been
handsomely
rewarded.
However,
there
is
a
bit
more
uncertainty
now
and
that’s
reflected
in
the
new
rating.
Kolostyak:
Daniel,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
today.
For
Morningstar,
I’m
Sunniva
Kolostyak
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